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Critic will never go away, because it's just part of being human, because it's how fear tries to keep us alive. But if we're going to grow, we have to learn to turn that inner critic into a barely audible whisper.

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Welcome to this Empty Nest Life. Join Jay Ramsden as he leads you on a transformative journey through the uncharted seas of midlife and empty nesting. If you're ready to embark on this new adventure and redefine your future, you're in the right place. Here's your host, the Empty Nest Coach, Jay Ramston.

Speaker 3: 0:32

Hey there, my Empty Nest. Friends, on today's episode we're digging into an important topic for the men in your life, whether that's your partner, your son, your brother, your dad or even yourself. We're digging into why so many men feel stuck but don't want to talk about it. My friends, if you know, you know, join me in this conversation is John Milant, who helps men struggling with self-doubt, battling their inner critic, and those always seeming to be struggling with inaction in their lives. John, welcome to this Emptiness Life. Thank you very much. So good to see you. I'm curious. I think June was Men's Mental Health Month.

Speaker 3: 1:13

And so folks you know, get into that and start sharing information about it. And we hear a lot of people saying well, you know the man in my life doesn't, or my. You know my dad, my brother, my uncle, my cousin, whoever it may be, they don doesn't. Or my dad, my brother, my uncle, whoever it may be, they don't talk about feelings and feeling stuck. But why do you think in your experience, this is something you do regularly. Why do you think so many men feel stuck but don't talk about it?

Speaker 1: 1:35

Well, it's kind of bizarre. The idea of feeling stuck usually comes because there's a lack of clarity in where they want to go and what they want to accomplish. And inside they may know, but on the outside there's a disconnect between what they're doing and what they really want on the inside. So they're doing things and they're busy, but what's really hard is they're caught up in a rat race. Honestly, they're busy but they're not productive. And when we talk about productivity, we're talking about just going in the direction that they really want to go inside. So because of that, they can be very active, but they still just feel stuck. And what does that mean? Well, it means if you ask somebody, it's like well, I'm just not getting where I want to go. They don't necessarily have to be stationary, but they're moving, they're working hard and they're buzzing, but everything is just out of reach, and it's always just out of reach.

Speaker 3: 2:48

So they're stuck. What I'm hearing you say, rishi, things are out of reach. But I also heard you say that they aren't getting, or what they're going after, what they really want on the inside. How do those two things play together? I'm not getting what I want on the inside, but I'm also stuck on the outside. Tell me more about how those two things fit together.

Speaker 1: 3:09

And this is what's very important to teach men so that we understand how we operate. So let me back up a little bit. Let's talk about two primordial influences in our life. They both have purpose. They're not bad. One is fear and one is love.

Speaker 1: 3:26

Okay, Fear has a purpose. Fear's purpose is to keep us alive. I mean, think about it Ten years ago, when you were a caveman, you'd wake up in the morning. You walk outside your cave. The first thing you do before you pick up the paper is you look around and make sure there's no saber-toothed tiger there to eat you, because you want them to stay alive. So you know, fear has a purpose. We're always hesitant, negative, because we want to be alive.

Speaker 1: 3:56

And what fear does for us today? It helps us build the world we live in. It keeps us safe, the world we all live in. You know our own little worlds, we're familiar with it, we're in control of it and we're content in it. And that's what fear does. Fear teaches us to build our limiting beliefs and build up our walls around us so that we feel safe and secure in our own little worlds. Whether it's for the better or worse, we all build our own little worlds. Now love does something different. Love's purpose is to have us grow.

Speaker 1: 4:42

Herein lies a problem that a lot of us don't know as men. Fear takes place at a subconscious level. There's no effort in it, there's no focus. It's how we exist. We rarely think about it. We build habits and routines and all these types of things without even thinking about it, just to build our worlds. Okay, so then here comes, John. At one point I got these big walls around my world and I kind of look up one day at this vast ocean of emptiness out there and I said, man, I wonder if there's something else besides just this world I live in. You know, I want to grow. Well, anything outside that world is a threat. That's how fear looks at it, because he just wants to keep us alive. So when we look outside that world to see if we can move our walls out a little bit, fear is going to work over time, and I'll explain how it works.

Speaker 1: 5:43

Fear works over time to keep us in our world. It's like, don't do that, and it's always subtle little things we don't think about. You know, I want to start making phone calls like I never did before for my work Something new. If it's new, it's outside my world, so it's a threat. So I decide I'm going to do it. At 1 o'clock, this little voice inside me that I don't even think about says oh John, you worked so hard this morning, why don't you do this tomorrow? What's one day going to matter? Right, it's not, John, stop. It's the things to get us to either do maybe just a little, but not too much, or do it another time, because this is coming up, or this is too important, or maybe you're tired and you should rest, or this thing's coming on TV now and it may not be on again. You know all these little things to stop us from moving that wall out just a little bit. And again, it's not bad, it's protection, is all it is. This is how we all function as human beings. I love that.

Speaker 3: 6:52

How does it? Yeah, because it's so important. Yes, to get outside your comfort zone. We talk about that a lot on this show and I think that's what you're saying. Yes Is like that comfort zone, even if it seems simple, pick up the phone and make some phone calls tomorrow, your brain is like that's not something I want to do, because there's something on the other end of that that could scare me or harm me. Is that fair?

Speaker 1: 7:18

Yes. Now how does fear manifest in our lives? Well, it starts with the foundation to all of our fear manifesting. To understand it is our inner critic. Who is the inner critic? He's the one that cuts us down. Don't do that. What if these other people are looking? What are they going to say? Don't put that up on social media. What if someone says something negative about it? Do you want to deal with that? I mean, this is the inner critic.

Speaker 1: 7:49

And when we entertain and remember, this is done at a subconscious level. We don't consciously think about it. But when we entertain what the inner critic is saying, it leads us to self-doubt. So we doubt ourselves. If we're doubting ourselves, that's going to lead to indecisiveness. Why? Because we're not going to know if we're making the right decision Should I do this or should I do this? And when we're indecisive, that leads right up to being inconsistent in our actions. Right Now, here's where the men come in, jay.

Speaker 1: 8:30

When we're inconsistent in our actions, success never happens, because success takes momentum Of doing the same thing over and over and over. And when no momentum is developed, you can't have success. And we're always working twice as hard. Because when you were little, do you remember, at the playgrounds you had those little merry-go-rounds that people would jump on and you'd push it, that centrifugal force. I remember when I was a little kid my friends jumped on it and, man, I had to take two hands in that thing, you know, plant my feet in the ground and just really push it really hard the first couple of times around, right, yeah.

Speaker 3: 9:14

Yeah, it was a fantastic get it started.

Speaker 1: 9:17

Yes, to get it started. And when we don't develop momentum, we're always pushing super hard to get something going. But success is not hard Success. I can stand next to that thing, two fingers ping, ping, ping just to keep it going, because momentum has it going already. But we're always in a start mode because we never develop the momentum, because of our inconsistency, because fear is doing a good job, yes, keeping us alive.

Speaker 3: 9:51

Yeah, and folks, if you're listening, like John does work with men, but what he's talking about is true for humans. This is everybody.

Speaker 2: 9:58

Yes, not just men.

Speaker 3: 9:59

It's men and women. It's that struggle of like, oh, I got to work out this morning and, oh well, I didn't put the clothes out, I didn't put the shoes out. You know what? Tomorrow I'll start. Tomorrow, tomorrow's the day, tomorrow I'll put the clothes out. That'll be the first step. And so I just want to make it clear, like, yes, this topic is for men. You know, we said that at the beginning, but it's really not. It's for everybody who's listening, because we've all experienced this in our own way and, john, I think this is why you're here today is like you've experienced this in your own life, right?

Speaker 1: 10:30

Yeah, for years. In fact, nobody knows about this. I mean, well, they do now. Nobody knew about this. It was my own little war that I was going through On the inside. I always felt like a failure inner critic. I didn't know anything about this at the time. So I would live my life and I met my wife, got married, raised three good kids, but it doesn't matter how well I did. My kids grew up really good. I made six figures, but it doesn't matter how good I did or what I tried to do. And I built a number of businesses. I always on the inside and again, this was my war. Nobody knew it. I always felt like a failure. It's like success was just always out of my reach. Other people were successful. I never was. No matter how hard I worked, I always felt like a failure. So I never got to enjoy life. I was always oh man, I wish I could see, see like the other people were.

Speaker 3: 11:34

I never could see myself as successful because I didn't understand myself and how I operated so what would back then, or even what does success, look like for somebody who knows how to handle their inner critic?

Speaker 1: 11:50

Well, first, first, you have to live mindfully so that you're aware of what's going on. That's the foundation to everything. Without getting into the details, you could ask me the question and I'll answer it. But when we learn to silence the inner critic, okay, okay, now remember, this is just being human, we all have it, we all deal with it. The critic will never go away, because it's just part of being human, because it's how fear tries to keep us alive. Okay, but if we're going to grow, we have to learn to turn that inner critic into a barely audible whisper. That's what we've got to do. So if the inner critic is not influencing and we're not entertaining its message anymore, self-doubt has no ability to grow. And what can grow in its place? Well, now we can choose love, just because we science a critic. This has to be chosen. It doesn't happen automatically. Allowing love is a conscious decision.

Speaker 1: 12:54

That's where growth takes place. Because we choose to grow, we can choose to grow confidence where self-doubt was. And when we choose to grow confidence, we don't have to do anything else. Indecisiveness will turn by nature into decisiveness. And when we're decisive now, we're going to be consistent in our actions. You don't have to fight inconsistency, we will by nature, become consistent. And now, when we're consistent, it's going to start to develop momentum, and that's how success starts taking place in our life. Whether it's just making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich or building a multimillion dollar business, everything works the same. That is how we succeed. Then it's just the choice. We're going to learn. We're going to make the choice to grow. Now we just make the choice. We're going to make the choice to grow. Now we just make the choice. What do we want to do? Because the confidence is there, because we've chosen to allow confidence to grow, and we are keeping that inner critic at a low, barely audible whisper.

Speaker 3: 14:17

Okay, so you talked about fear and love and I think most people know, okay, fear, I get that. That's where our limiting belief comes from and I call those the contractions of our life. I don't, I shouldn't, I won't, I can't, I wouldn't. Right, the contractions of our life are what limiting beliefs are. That's how they start, if folks are wondering what those are. But then the love piece. I think people may. People may hear oh, fear and love, and think love, I've got to have. I have to have love in my life. But I think you're saying more, you have to. There's love turned inward to yourself. Is that fair? Or let's dive into that a little bit, because I'm I want to make sure people understand what you mean when you say fear. Where?

Speaker 1: 14:57

where, where fear is. Fear is natural because it keeps us alive at a subconscious level. Okay, love takes time, focus and energy. What fear doesn't?

Speaker 3: 15:09

Yeah, fear.

Speaker 1: 15:11

You ever wonder why you naturally gravitate toward negative stuff? I mean, a lot of good things happen, but when that one tragic accident happens or that gossip starts, boy, those ears grow big. That's a natural response because fear is negative. We don't have to think about it, we're just going to gravitate toward it. Why do you think all most political campaigns are negative? Because people gravitate by nature toward that stuff Low energy, no effort. You know you always hear about we choose the path of least resistance. We do. It's a natural instinct in humans. But love is something that takes work. Love is something that takes work. We have to choose it. So it takes time, energy and focus. Growing is hard work. It's not easy, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:11

So I like to think of it as, like people say, the difference between simple and easy right.

Speaker 2: 16:17

Okay, that's a good analogy.

Speaker 3: 16:18

Yeah, it's like growing is easy, but it's not simple, right, yeah, so it's like I like to have my folks who are listening think about it's. Like we talk about stuff being, oh, this, this thing is easy, we can make this happen. That's easy, but it's not always simple, because it involves time and energy. It involves work, which I love to talk about, bringing those pieces in, and so I think that's an important distinction to make for people who are listening, like the audience is saying okay, now I get it. Fear keeps me safe and love is going to take time, energy and work to make it happen, to help me move forward. Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:56

So you talk a little bit about, too, about reclaiming, helping people reclaim their purpose with courage and clarity, and I think that is such an important topic for people who are empty nesting, and for me, empty nesting isn't just a moment in time, it's your life, from about 45 to 65. That's what I call empty nesting. Those are the, the, the, the, the, the timeline, if you will, the timeline, if you will, and the reclaiming purpose is huge because parents get so invested in their kids and thinking that's their purpose. So tell me more about how you help people reclaim their purpose, because I think it's important for people to understand like this is something you can do. You don't have to feel lost at this stage in life?

Speaker 1: 17:37

No, and I went through this myself. I had my journey where you know. Why am I here, what is my purpose Through that time of my life, just like a lot of people do and the one thing I try to teach people now. People describe this as a lot of different things and I call it you know. People describe this as a lot of different things and I call it. You know there's a person inside us. This is not the inner critic now. This is the person that we know. We know our potential, as I can say. You know, here, I am in my present, right here, but I know that this is where I can be. If I want to, maybe I'm here in the present, but in the future, this is where I can be. If I want to, maybe I'm here in the present, but in the future, this is where I can be.

Speaker 1: 18:23

I call it world-class self. This is that part of us that guides us. Where do aha moments come from? That gut instinct? You hear about that little voice in your head, not the serial killer, but the other one that guides you a little bit every day. That is what I call the world-class self.

Speaker 1: 18:44

Now, you know, you hear all these terms depending on backgrounds. You know, listen to the universe, christianity, the spirit man. You know, if you want to take it to that level, this is the person that talks directly to God on your behalf. That is you, your spirit man. If you learn to listen to that person on the inside, you're going to learn everything that you need to learn. How do you listen? Very simple you just become 100% honest with yourself. And when you're honest, this is between you and you. Nobody else will ever know this. But when you're honest with yourself, you have absolute clarity. It's in your self-dishonesty that you can't tell what to do. But when you're completely honest with yourself, you have absolute clarity and you can ask the questions you need to ask. And you'll find your answers if you listen, sometimes right away. Boom. Sometimes they'll come from different sources. You may be watching TV and listening to a dialogue on TV and suddenly it's like it's all talking to you about something. If you'll just learn to ask the questions and then I can't see the answers come right away, because sometimes they don't I'm trying to find an answer to a question. It could take a week sometimes, but I'll wake up in the morning and say I asked this question and I'm looking for this answer. And, as long as I'm again, the foundation to everything is just living mindfully, so that I'm aware today, as I'm living my life, that I did ask this question. That's still unanswered. So I'm going to, as I live my life, I'm going to be aware and look for that answer.

Speaker 1: 20:49

This is what people talk about all the time. You know, don't try to force things. You know, it's not always about doing. It's about, you know, vibrations, or just listening to the universe. Or you know, pray for something and look for God's direction. This is what it entails and this is how we learn to find our answers. We have everything already and I learned this. This is what changed my life around Everything we have, everything we want to know and need we already have.

Speaker 3: 21:27

Yeah, it's all inside of us?

Speaker 1: 21:29

Yes, it's already there. When I was struggling to find my answers, I traveled, I went to different countries. I thought maybe if I become Mahatma Gandhi, or maybe if I do the Mother Teresa thing, I'll find my purpose. One day I was sitting in an orphanage in Spanish Town, jamaica, holding an AIDS baby in my arms and small little blue room, and small little blue room. This little voice inside my head said this isn't it. And I had that same thing a number of times and I said, okay. I got distraught again and went back home and the one thing, jay, that changed me let me tell you what it was.

Speaker 1: 22:17

I was watching YouTube and I was watching a conference that Tony Robbins was leading and he was standing. I won't draw this way out, but he was standing in the third row talking to this gentleman, probably late 20s. Evidently this gentleman struggled with depression his whole life and as he's looking at the audience, he says I want to teach you guys something. This young man's been struggling his whole life and watch this. So he instructs the the audience. He says I want to teach you guys something. This young man's been struggling his whole life and watch this. So he instructs the young man. He says close your eyes. And the young man closes his eyes and he goes okay, I want you to think First before we do anything. On the scale of 1 to 10, where are you in your depression right now? 10 is the worst, 1 is the best where you don't have the depression. One is the worst, one is the best where you don't have the depression. So this young man goes I'm at about a seven. And Tony goes okay, keep your eyes closed, I'm going to give you five seconds. I want you to think about the most incredible orgasm you ever had. You hear this little, you know, laughing in the audience, chuckle in the audience, yeah, little chuckles. And you know, five, ten seconds go by and Tony goes. Okay, you thinking about it. And the young man goes yeah, and he goes. Okay, where are you now on a scale of one to ten? And he goes man, I'm at a two and people are going oh, wow, tony goes. Okay, everybody, wait, we're not done yet. So he goes, he instructs the young man about that. Now I want you to think about the worst experience you have ever had in depression. And again, he gives him five to 10 seconds. Everything's quiet. You could hear a pin drop and Tony goes okay, where are you right now? And the guy goes man, I'm at about a nine. Everything is just still in that room.

Speaker 1: 24:00

Now Tony talks to the guy for a couple seconds off the mic, guy sits down, tony goes back up to the front and, jay, this is what changed my life. Tony looks at the audience and he goes. I want you guys to understand something. Here you have a young man that struggled with depression his whole life, and right in front of you he went from a 7 to a 3, clearing up to a 9 in seconds just by choice. And then here's what he said, and this was like an epiphany. An atom bomb went off inside my head. He said everything you want is just a decision away.

Speaker 1: 24:46

I had traveled and I was looking for something and at that moment the reality of realities came that everything that I want I already have. So I said I'm going to be happy and I was. And that was the start of me learning how I operate and understand as a person. That changed my life and this is what I try to teach other people that everything you want you already have. All you have to do is ask the questions.

Speaker 3: 25:25

So good, I love that.

Speaker 1: 25:28

And you will find your answers.

Speaker 3: 25:29

Yeah, it's all inside of us, right? You talked about the fear piece and that's where the inner critic is born out of and it's shouts. But the love piece, it does whisper like you are made for more. Yeah, and so in this time is like for me, from the people who listen to the show, their parents, who are struggling with emptiness and trying to figure out OK, this is my emptiness, life is, this is what life is really like for me, Like I've got to find a new purpose. I got to figure this out. Am I made for more or am I just sitting here waiting for that engagement in that wedding and grandkids?

Speaker 2: 26:01

And that's.

Speaker 3: 26:01

That's what I try and have people understand is like you don't wait. You are made for more. Don't wait for those things to happen. You're in control of everything. Those other things you're not in control of.

Speaker 1: 26:14

And usually Jay those answers we've known all along.

Speaker 3: 26:19

Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 26:20

We think about it when we're little. We're trained by fear to build our walls, to protect ourselves. But before that we've had all these dreams I'm going to be this, I'm going to do this someday. And as we grow up, what do we think? Ah, the silliness of youth. But that's not the silliness of youth. That's us dreaming already, not understanding that fear is going to keep us alive before we can grow.

Speaker 3: 26:49

That's true, oh so true, and it's getting over that hurdle of being afraid. So, in this journey for yourself, what's one thing you've learned about yourself?

Speaker 1: 27:00

That's a deep question. That's why I'm taking a second to answer it. I just don't want to throw something out that I am as good as everybody else out there.

Speaker 3: 27:12

I love that John.

Speaker 1: 27:14

I work with people that make millions upon millions of dollars, and I work with people that make hundreds and tens of thousands of dollars, and one thing I've learned is it doesn't matter where somebody is status-wise they struggle with the exact same thing that we all struggle with. We are all human and it doesn't matter. We all struggle with the same thing. Now, everybody's struggle is different, but the struggles are the same and we all have the same problems as people. It doesn't matter what our status is. People are people, are people, and we all wrestle with the same thing. And I learned that I am as good or as bad as everybody else.

Speaker 3: 28:07

And that's such a wonderful realization. And once you realize that, then you can say okay, here's something that's going to motivate me when you see yourself as the same as everyone. Like this is just human nature. This is how our brains work. This is how we've evolved. We're all the same in that regard. Things, monetary things and personal things, and cars and houses and all that like okay, that does some have a separation for folks. Like people see that as different, that person's better, that person's better. They have more. No, that's the at the, at the base. We're all the same. We all struggle with the same two things. Is like the getting rid of the fear and falling in love with ourselves so that we can learn how to be made for more. And once you do that, I think that's where you find out. Here's what's going to motivate me in my life. So what's the biggest motivator for you in life right now?

Speaker 1: 29:00

Before I answer that, can I, can I bring something up that you just said I think is really important for our audience? Sure, when you talked about falling in love with yourself, I think it's important to define that. Falling in love with yourself is just accepting who you are, because you know we all have the potential to be. We all know who we are on the inside and that's who you are, and once you, once you accept that and allow other people to see that person.

Speaker 3: 29:36

That's when you know you've loved yourself. Yes, when you're, when you can show your when you can be transparent that this is me this is who I am.

Speaker 3: 29:42

This is how I live my life, exactly, but I love myself for how I operate, knowing that everybody else has the same two limiting factors in our lives right, the inner, the inner critic, the self-sabotage everybody goes to that this is how I deal with it. Right, this is, this is how I am as a human being, and I think that's, I think that's such a great point to make so that people understand. Yes, it isn't. You know, you don't love how perhaps you don't have to love how you look and all the things inside, like the core of your being, like love how you live your life. And if you don't, then there's something holding you back, those limiting beliefs, the contractions, the I, the I can't, I won't, I shouldn't, I don't, I couldn't. I think that's probably the one that holds people back the most.

Speaker 1: 30:32

I can't, I couldn't do. That Sounds like you've had a lot of experience with that, For sure.

Speaker 3: 30:37

For sure and that's why I do, that's why I have this show is I want to help people live their best emptiness life and that's why I've loved talking to you today, because it's that whole feeling of how do we get people to understand you can break the silence, you don't have to feel stuck, and particularly men and while this topic is, you know we've talked a lot about helping men get over that hurdle I think the next thing for us to talk about and dive into here for a few more minutes is what's been the most defining moment in your life over the past 12 months, based upon the work you learned sure um learning, learning how to help people see who they are and bring the ideas in their head to life.

Speaker 1: 31:25

It's that whole idea of success. You know we have desires and dreams and ambitions. Everything's up here.

Speaker 3: 31:34

Yep right in our brains.

Speaker 1: 31:35

Yeah, how do you take this picture you have in here and bring it so that you're literally living it? Like you see it, this is what I have over the last year I don't want to say perfected, but pretty much almost have. I mean, I do it in my own life. I choose what I want and I bring it to life. And this is what I do with others now. I get to know them, I get to understand what they want and I teach them how to bring to life what they want, just like I have done in my own life and I continue to do. I have dreams and ambitions and things I haven't done yet that I'm planning to do. That I'm planning to do and slowly making the steps and fighting the good fight. My biggest battle, remember, we're all human, so it's not about getting rid of something, it's learning to manage something Love that. My inner critic is probably the loudest at 2 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 3: 32:45

It wakes you up in the middle of the night.

Speaker 1: 32:47

Yeah, that's when I'm trying to rest and I'm most vulnerable. So if I ever have to wrestle with something, it's usually in the middle of the night, where something will get louder and I go okay, go sit on the couch, watch the Munsters, I'll make you some pizza.

Speaker 3: 33:08

And I got to sleep, sleep, leave me alone. Yeah, it's an important point too about how our subconscious works at night, and you said you know our brain likes to answer questions and so that if you ask it a question at night that you want an answer to, it's going to go to work yes. Yes.

Speaker 1: 33:23

Unfortunately, sometimes.

Speaker 3: 33:25

Unfortunately sometimes, but also fortunately sometimes, because you know in the morning or the next morning or the day after you'll wake up with the answer that you've been searching for.

Speaker 1: 33:34

Oh, aha moments. I remember those. Write them down, people Write them down.

Speaker 3: 33:40

Definitely, definitely, john, before I let you go. Definitely, john, before I let you go.

Speaker 1: 33:47

I'm curious what's your life motto, my life motto? Do you want it from my standpoint, just for me, or what I do, or what I do with others?

Speaker 3: 34:03

Yeah, just for you as a human living in this world and all the things you've learned about yourself through your journey, I'm sure you've landed on the life motto Sure. What is it? My life motto is live what's important to me.

Speaker 1: 34:22

Live what's important to me, and that means, you know, I've got. I've got people in my life and I know the relationship I want to build with them, whether it's grandkids or somebody else. You know I know the things I want to do. I love what I do all the time I wake up. Today is the only day that I have that. I know I'm alive right now. So I live today and I'm in the moment. I know. You know this time together is meaningful to me and I'm aware of that. It's not just something I'm doing in the middle of the day. This is very important to me and when this is over, there'll be other things that I'll be doing that will be important to me because I only have now. So, even though I dream and plan for the future, I'm never, I'm never not aware of. I'm living right now and appreciating the connections and, you know, the conversation like we're having right now.

Speaker 3: 35:22

This is, this is really important to me, um, because it's all I have yeah, this moment in time, yes, most important moment in time, because we're not guaranteed what comes next, which I think is why it's so important for people living in this emptiness life is to don't wait, that's right, because there is there is nothing but now I love because there is nothing but now. I love that there is nothing but now. That could become the title of the episode.

Speaker 1: 35:51

Yes, you can enjoy now. You're not going to enjoy a future because there is no future. You're going to continue not enjoying now.

Speaker 3: 36:01

Love it and I've thoroughly enjoyed now having this conversation with you, because it is such an important one, not just for the men in my listeners lives, but for them as well, to understand how we get unstuck, and especially as the kids leave home and move on. Everything we talked about applies folks. This is not just helping men get unstuck and being more successful in their business or starting a company or anything like that. Everything that John and I have talked about today works for you today, in this moment, for anything that you want to do. John, it's been a pleasure having you on the show.

Speaker 1: 36:35

Thanks, jay, I had a really good time talking. That was neat.

Speaker 2: 36:39

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