Speaker 1: 0:00

No matter what you think, they're either confident about their job or they're confident about where they're going. There's a lot of mixed emotions and uneasiness going along with this situation and in many cases, because of the way that things change in our economy or our environment, it's not what they planned. You're not going from fifth grade to sixth grade, You're going from fifth grade and then wait a second the job that you thought you were going to have doesn't exist anymore. Or the friends that you thought you were going to be roommates with after college are not going to be the roommates you're after college, and so you really have to be able to adapt. It's not set in stone. You're not just going to go on this magic carpet ride. You now have to make your own decisions.

Speaker 2: 0:43

Welcome to this Empty Nest Life. Join Jay Ramsden as he leads you on a transformative journey through the uncharted seas of midlife and empty nesting. If you're ready to embark on this new adventure and redefine your future, you're in the right place. Here's your host, the Empty Nest Coach, Jay Ramsden.

Speaker 3: 1:03

Hey there, Empty Nesters. Today's episode is not one only for you, but it's for your kiddos high school, college, young adults. It doesn't really matter where they fall in that, but you're going to want to share this episode with them, and here's why Today I have the pleasure of chatting with Rob Finley, the author of hey Dad. He's right here in the studio and let me tell you, when I was reading through this book a little bit, I was like, Ooh, I taught my kids something, but I didn't teach them everything. So sorry about that, Connor and Caitlin, but maybe after reading this book I'll come back and teach you a few more things. So, Rob, good to see you and welcome to this Empty Nest Life.

Speaker 1: 1:40

Yeah, thanks, jay. Thanks so much for having me, yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:43

So tell me a little bit more about this book you talk a little bit about. You had a call at one point in the middle of the night and you were like, oh well, yeah, I didn't teach my kids everything that I should have, or maybe you had that feeling of I should have taught them more about everyday things that happen. Is that the impetus for this book? Was there something else? Let's start there.

Speaker 1: 2:08

Yeah, no, I really think. I mean there was a magical moment, obviously, that moment where it was actually my wife after that call that you mentioned middle of the night call which every parent dreads, right, that's the one that always gets us and my daughter. I answered the phone. It was my daughter. She was in the middle of traveling from Wisconsin to Austin, texas. She called me and she asked if she could put the green gas in her Jeep and at that moment I was like, well, what do you mean? Green gas in your Jeep? She's like, yeah, green gas. I'm like diesel, is that what you're talking about? It was so clearly she has a gas engine, so, no, she cannot put diesel in.

Speaker 1: 2:45

But at that point it made me feel, along with all these other sort of revolving questions that I get from my kids, that maybe I haven't taught them everything. And it was actually after that phone call late at night, my wife was like you know what, why don't you just write a book? Why don't you just put all this stuff that you've learned and write a book? And so I said you know what, why don't you just write a book? Why don't you just put all this stuff that you've learned and write a book, and so I said, you know what? It's actually not a bad idea. I couldn't even get back to sleep that night because I was so excited about it.

Speaker 1: 3:13

And so the next day, for probably the next year or so, I interviewed 30 experts in the field of everything from finding apartments, maintaining cars, practical life wisdom, navy SEALs, nascar race car drivers and crew chiefs on how to take care of their cars, and everybody in between, to give a book that is not preachy but rather sort of a foundational. Here you're about to get this big life moment, this big life change. Here you go. Here's a little manual Skim through it. Figure out what you need to do to become an adult.

Speaker 3: 3:50

Yeah, and what I like about the book too, is it's kind of broken down into like where you are at any given moment in life. Right, it's like the questions come up in a timeline for them. What do you think are the most important skills that we may have missed teaching our kids? Let's start there.

Speaker 1: 4:07

Yeah, I think one of the biggest ones that I see is networking and the ability for our young adults to have meaningful conversations and be comfortable in situations that are not their buddies on Snapchat or messaging or whatever, and I think that's one of the things that I would encourage.

Speaker 1: 4:30

And now, seeing this and talking to others, I would actually go back and really focus on this and really work with your young adult to make sure that they're having conversations with other adults and that they're comfortable putting them in the situations, and the reason for that with networking is everything that they do from now on will involve some type of interaction with another adult, whether it's trying to find a job. It's a big shock for a lot of kids that you don't just go on LinkedIn, click the easy button and get the job of your dreams. You actually have to work at it. You have to talk to people. As your child gets older, they go to a different area, a different apartment, a different area, and they're going to have to make friends. They're going to have to be able to be comfortable in these situations. I think one of the first things, the long-winded answer is networking Get your kids comfortable to be interpersonal and be able to interact with other adults.

Speaker 3: 5:27

Yeah, I think most people know the phrase right. It's not what you know, it's who you know, right. And it's also how you interact with people as well. And you know, the bigger your network, the more likely if you are going to move to someplace else you may know somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody who could like connect you up there and start even just a conversation to say, hey, what are the places to be and how do you get there? What else is there besides the networking pieces?

Speaker 1: 5:53

There's just yeah, just to just to back on that point. Hey, you know, it's so much more than just getting a job, right, you know, at some point a young man is going to have to come in and ask for, you know to, to marry one of my daughters. Or my daughter brings in a boyfriend, you know what, if they can't look me in the eye and give me a real handshake, that's it, you know. So these are things that are, that are, you know they, they come and go, but they're, they're evolved in everywhere. So I think that's that's the first one.

Speaker 1: 6:19

The the second thing that I've realized is a big issue for a lot of young adults at this time of transition. I call this time of transition basically going from basically dependent to independent, so either graduating from high school and then they're on their own, or graduating from college and they're going on their own. And the analogy I like to use is I was at an airport and you're on these airports and they have these sort of these automated walkways, you know, and I call them basically the magic carpet ride. You know, you jump on and you go. And I put that analogy to sort of our kids where, from the time they're born to the time they leave home, they're on that magic carpet ride, and so they're constantly in there saying, okay, I go to first grade, I go to second grade carpet ride. And so they're constantly in there saying, okay, I go to first grade, I go to second grade, third grade, so on and so forth. And then all of a sudden, that magic carpet ride stops and they now have to figure out what they're going to do.

Speaker 1: 7:15

Do not underestimate how impactful and difficult this situation is for your child, no matter what you think. They're either confident about their job or they're confident about where they're going. There's a lot of mixed emotions and uneasiness going along with this situation and in many cases, because of the way that things change in our economy or our environment, it's not what they planned. You're not going from fifth grade to sixth grade, you're going from fifth grade and then wait a second the job that you thought you were going to have doesn't exist anymore, or the friends that you thought you were going to be roommates with after college are not going to be the roommates you're after college, and so you really have to be able to adapt and make decisions and understand that it's not set in stone. You're not just going to go on this magic carpet ride. You now have to make your own decisions.

Speaker 3: 8:11

Right, and I think there's a great point too, rob, because you see it now, as we get older right, it's like even with my parents are both still alive. My mom has said I didn't expect our life to turn out like this. Now my clients say the same thing, once the kids are grown and flown I didn't expect my life to be like this right now, and it's something I think that's underestimated for the kids, as they're getting ready to launch. They're so full of excitement. It's like it's not going to go exactly as you plan.

Speaker 1: 8:38

Yeah, and it's overwhelming. I mean, in some cases. One of my daughters started college, thought she had picked the perfect major. It was in computer science. Everybody knows A few years ago everybody wanted to be a developer and she could just basically go out and write her own whatever she wanted to do.

Speaker 1: 8:58

That was going to happen. But then all of a sudden, while she was in her senior year, all of a sudden those jobs went off short and they weren't hiring. And next thing, you know, that skill set that she got and she thought she was going to have no longer is valid and now she had to pivot and adapt to something new and that was very hard for her because she was so set in what she was going to do. Now she had a failure to launch. Almost she didn't know where she wanted to live because she didn't know what she wanted to do. She didn't know what she wanted to do because she didn't know where she wanted to live and it just became this failure to launch and that became something where I finally had to sit her down and this was a lot of the one of the best parts about writing this book for me was being able to interview all these experts and so many things, and there were a couple of people who are my contributors on this book, who are clinical psychologists and they understand, like you know, being able to step up and move and all this, and they said, yes, it's okay, this is just a step in your life.

Speaker 1: 10:03

The decisions that you make right now are not going to be it for the rest of your life. You're not going to have this job, this location for the rest of your life, so don't worry about it, relax, but get going, because the longer you delay moving out and becoming dependent is or independent rather the longer you take to get to that moment in life, the harder it's going to be for you to continue. And, parents, we are guilty of enabling our kids to stay in the nest a little bit longer to to do the things that we think is going to be until it's the right time, and that's detrimental.

Speaker 3: 10:41

Yeah, absolutely Right. We do often enable our kids to, you know, have a little bit of a cushion, a little bit of help, Right? Not everybody, Right. There's some parents who operate differently, but at least in the US there is kind of this idea of like, no, we're going to help our kids because we want them to have better and do better than what we did when we were growing up, and that's like a true American thing. Every single generation wants that same thing. But we've gotten to a point where it's like, ooh, now what? Like you don't even know how to pivot to plan B. Is that? You mentioned that in your book? Do you talk about how to pivot to plan B and what does that look like?

Speaker 1: 11:19

Absolutely, absolutely. And I think you know, from that standpoint, being able to pivot and being able to adapt. It comes down to things like failure, accepting failure and accepting change and understanding. That's part about being an adult, too, right? It's like our lives. We know that it doesn't always happen, and you know it's funny. You mentioned this. And to back to your point where you know the perfect time to do it OK, well, we're going to wait until you have a couple dollars left to go and do this.

Speaker 1: 11:52

So that's sort of the same conversations with young adults today where they say, well, we're going to have a baby when we have six months of savings in our bank account and we're going to become married when we have this or we have this, and people try to plan as much as they can but, quite frankly, that's when is it enough? You never, right. You're never going to say now's a perfect time to have a kid, let's go have one. Or hey, now, yeah, I know I've loved you and we should have been married 10 years ago, but let's get married now, because now that's the right time. And I think for for for parents trying to get your kids to to be in that point where there.

Speaker 1: 12:25

It is the right time. Never, it's never the right time. The right time is now. The right time for them to become an adult is now. The time for them to experience and learn and adapt is right now, and I know it sounds like hard love not to say that, hey, you don't, you can't give them a couple of bucks and help them, help them out or do some things so they don't really get in trouble? But for the most part, they need to start living their own life.

Speaker 3: 12:50

Right, yeah, they do right To be able to step off that and decide what does insurance look like, and how do I take care of my car, and how do I register If I move states, how do I get a new license? What does that look like? What forms do I need? All of those things that sometimes we take for granted because we've been adulting for so long. And I think one of the aims of your book is to kind of shorten the learning curve with learning to adult. And what does that look like? Specifically Like what kind of advice would you give to parents today whose kids may be in high school and say how can you help them shorten that learning curve?

Speaker 1: 13:29

I think it comes down to, there's some foundational elements, I think, of this book, and that's really what I tried to do. I didn't try to make it a 101 on everything, right, it's not. You know, this is not a how to be an adult. It's fundamental, which are things like first thing is trying to figure out where you want to go, what you want to do. Relax with that. The second is hey, now go get a job. Go get a job. Learn how to save your money, learn how to create budgets, learn how to live, learn to get a place, learn to get a car, learn to be a good human, learn to figure out what happens when emergencies happen. Right, these are things that you don't have time to Google or do things like that.

Speaker 1: 14:06

You need to have this foundation, and so the way that I framed this book was for parents, because I think a lot of times, for example, when I talk about some of the interviews I had was a NASCAR race car driver and his crew chief.

Speaker 1: 14:20

Now these are two gentlemen One has won the Daytona 500 and other real NASCAR races, and the other one is the guy who has to make sure his car is perfect and in working condition.

Speaker 1: 14:31

Well, these guys know something about beating up cars and being tough, but I can tell you that I'm sure that their kids know cars, they're probably very comfortable about cars, but do they know how to find an apartment?

Speaker 1: 14:47

Do they know how to think about insurance, the difference between a credit union and a bank? And so I tried to make this book so that, no matter what information you have as an adult and you're giving your kids, there's probably something that you haven't taught them because maybe you're not comfortable or it just never came up, maybe you just didn't pay attention right. And so this book is really just the foundation that you know for the most part. You give it to them, they take a look at it. I even condensed parts so they don't have to read the whole thing, but it gives you sections so they sort of figure it out, and when they're in that time in their life where it's looking for a job or looking for an apartment or looking to buy a car, they can look at this section and at least are given the foundation to be able to make good decisions.

Speaker 3: 15:36

Yeah, in terms of making good decisions, you clearly made good decisions, speaking to like 30 people to have this book come to life. How did you choose who to speak to? Like you were like oh, the NASCAR driver and crew chief. Like got to have that guy Right. How did you decide who was going to be on this journey with you?

Speaker 1: 15:56

So it was. It was a combination. I wanted to have people who are really experts in their field, right? So? So that was the first thing. The second thing was I wanted them to be relatable to the people that are going to be reading this, right, so, you know they. They needed to be within sort of, you know, a demographic and a style that that people could relate to. And then, finally, it was once I wanted to get a broad world right. So, yes, I have a professional race car driver and his crew chief that's wonderful. But I also have a woman who has moved 17 times in 10 years, right, and she's just a wonderful woman who didn't want to settle down. And so getting advice on how to move and how to pack and things like that, it just sort of added to the story, if you will, of life, because you're not always going to get the expert advice You've got to get it from wherever you can get it from.

Speaker 3: 16:54

Yeah, I love that and it brings up a story for me. Even when I was growing up. It's like I was getting ready to move from my first apartment in Baltimore, maryland, to New York and I called my dad and was like, so how do you go about moving? And his response was, like this is really just about money, isn't it? Like? What are all the aspects of it? Do you need some money to help you figure that out too? So it's like when kids have those questions, how are you going to use this book? When kids have those questions, how are you going to use this book? Like, how do you want parents to use this book as, like, a gift or a guide for them at high school graduation or college graduation? Or tell me a little bit about that vision.

Speaker 1: 17:33

Yeah, I mean, my vision when I started out was really just that this is a gift from you to a young adult who's going through transition. It's more of just a something where it's I get you, I care, and so it's very much meant to be. That's why it's coming out. You know, really springtime for graduation. But the other thing that I really encourage people to do is is to look at the book. If you're giving it to somebody.

Speaker 1: 18:00

Look at the book, read the book yourself. It's a very simple read, but take a look at it. But add your own personal advice to sections, and I really would love to have people do that. I really want people to actually send me what they give feedback, because it's always it's just nice, because that's what it is. It's just. This is meant to be a heartfelt sort of gift to somebody. It is. This is a big time. This is a big moment in somebody's life where they're out on their own and it's for real and being able to give somebody sort of the comfort in a non-preaching sort of non-judgmental way, but also with a little bit of personal. Go off to college and spend the summer adding your own notes and thoughts and maybe using sticky notes or postcard, whatever postcards, index cards inside the book to just add to it.

Speaker 3: 19:03

I think that's a brilliant, brilliant idea.

Speaker 1: 19:06

And I think. But it's what makes it special. As I said, this is not, you know, this is not true crime novel. This is not, you know, a scientific journal. This is just from the heart. And these were when I went to these 30 people, these these 30 experts. I just asked them, you know, if many of them had young adults and have gone through it. So a lot of them came from from that perspective, but a lot of them were just felt like it was just, it's just genuine. It's just genuine help and guidance for our next generation. And but making it your own. I've got a grandmother who wrote me and she said I can't wait because I've got all these little things that I've been wanting to give as advice on on when they decorate their first apartment, how to, what furniture to buy, what not to buy and things like that and they add their own little story, so really making it personal.

Speaker 3: 19:56

I love that. That is so good, so good. Now I'm curious too. You have an addition to the book. It's an AI app that's going to be a hey Dad AI app that's going to be coming out. You're not trying to replace dads, are you?

Speaker 1: 20:09

No, no, you can never replace a dad and you can never replace a mom, right, I mean, I think, or anybody who has been there to give advice and mentorship to a young adult. I mean, that's that bond that you cannot recreate with any type of technology. What the AI was for was to really just make it easy. It's just a chat bot, right? If you just needed something really quick and it just comes from you know it's. Hey, how do I do this? Hey, I just got into it.

Speaker 1: 20:40

My daughter used it, actually, she got into a little fender bender and I wasn't available. She went into her AI app and said what do I do? And it detailed what she should do and it was just. It's just nice to know that in an emergency, it's there. If it's like, what's the most important piece of furniture that you need, that you should. The one thing, you should buy Mattress, right. So there's there's things like that where you can, you can question it. Or how many times should I wash my sheets? In a week, or or in a month, right, and you know that's. It's surprising how, how variable that answer could be to people. So it's once, by the way, you should wash your sheets every week I love that.

Speaker 3: 21:22

I heard something recently. There was a study done and and like young males who are just launching like go almost a year without washing their seat so great.

Speaker 1: 21:32

I think that was in the book, right, I was like that was shocking. But then I look back and I'm thinking, geez, when I was in you know college, I don't remember doing that much of it.

Speaker 3: 21:45

So it's quite possible. Does the AI pull from the book itself or does it pull from a larger swath of data and information?

Speaker 1: 21:53

It pulls from both. So, from a technical standpoint, it's pulling from the book, it understands the book, but it also uses the open AI large language model, foundational model, and so it's getting everything, but the predominance of it will be off the off the book.

Speaker 3: 22:11

Love it, love it. Now you, you yourself are almost an empty nester, right you have. You have one that has almost launched, just got another year of school left, right, yeah? So tell me about that journey. Right, you're not only an author, serial entrepreneur, but you're also a dad who has four kids, who are all different age range but are of launch.

Speaker 1: 22:32

Like, tell me about your own emptiness journey it's been a very interesting um dynamic, which is why, when I saw your podcast, I was like what a fantastic, fantastic topic. Right it is. It's such a transition for people. Right, it's it's time of your kid, especially when you devote so much to raising them and having them leave. It's a sense of purpose that I think is incredibly like you're void of that meaning, of that meaning.

Speaker 1: 23:11

So I had a very similar experience when I sold my first business, because I'd spent all my time creating this business and I sold it and it was the only thing I had. I mean, I had the kids, but I had the business. I sold the business and the next day people say, oh well, what do you do? And I would say I don't know, I nothing, I guess. And I would say I don't know Nothing, I guess. And it really became. It was almost like that was like almost a midlife crisis for me, because I had to find out what I really wanted to do and I had to go through this soul searching of purpose and what is my life. And I was fortunate I had the kids at the time, but I don't know, I was probably very immature at the time when I sold it, where my kids were. I thought I was doing everything I could to build a business, provide for my kids, and not realize what really is important is actually creating the kids, then focus on the business.

Speaker 1: 24:05

But the journey has been interesting and I've got four, as you said, and each one is different. One was really easy, next one a little bit harder, because she had some other dynamics of where she wanted to live and who she wanted to live with, and the third one was really hard because she had the job and so on and so forth. The fourth one is more independent than I am, so she's already planned and mapped out her life. Now what I worry about her is, if something changes, will she be able to adapt? Because she is so regimented on where she's going to go, what she's going to do, who she's going to work for, research that she's going to do, and so I hope so.

Speaker 3: 24:46

You hope that it all pans out in the end right, Absolutely. What is what? What's something that you've learned about yourself through writing this book and also through becoming an empty nester?

Speaker 1: 24:58

You're never done being a parent, you're never done being an adult, and adulting changes, and adulting and the interactions that we have with our children have changed so much and the issues and the concerns that they have are very different than probably the ones that we had when we were in the same situation, and that was really fascinating for me. It's just this point. I was talking to an EMT as part of the book on emergencies, like what do you do? I said, what are the things that every young adult must know how to do? And I was thinking, oh, they need to know how to perform CPR, they need to know how to do the Heimlich. You know all this other stuff? He came to me he said, no, just one. The one number one thing is knowing how to administer Narcan, which is this.

Speaker 1: 25:54

I was flabbergasted, I was like what? And so when you start to realize, as part of this journey, just like being an adult and everything changing, you realize the world that our kids live in is very different. And it's from everything from from that statement alone to talking to a daughter saying, hey, I don't need a bank account, I have Venmo or Zelle, right, and it's, it's, it's those kinds of same things, that the world is very different, so we have to be equally uh, understanding of what the world is to help help our kids manage through that world right, right.

Speaker 3: 26:33

The other thing that comes to mind for me is like, just money. Like the kids don't carry cash right anymore. Right, they can't, it's everything just transfers automatically. They don't even have to deposit a paycheck anymore and so it's. That piece is like, as we start to see our kids adult, like we have ideas about what that means from our own experience. But also, you know, we maybe should step back and watch a little bit too. Do you see that at all? Do you offer any of that in the book to use? Like, how do you take a little bit from both sides?

Speaker 1: 27:06

Yeah, and that's part of it. It, and that comes back to that point where you have to understand the world is changing. Where I think we should be as a good parent is understanding that the world has changed. Yes, we will have our own mind of what it is. It's either good or bad or indifferent. Right? We're adults. We get to make those choices. Now, understanding, though, how we explain to our why we think those are different or why we think that is a good or a bad thing.

Speaker 1: 27:34

Take, for example, social media. Social media can be a wonderful thing. It's a good way to stay in touch with people. It's a good way for business to connect with people, and, and there's and there's yes, and I'm guilty of it there's mindful scrolling, right, it's just hey, I've got a, you know I'm on a place and I just want to scroll and see stuff that you know my fishing, and you know there's fishing and hiking and camping. Yeah, so I get, I get entertained. Where social media, where, where I tried to tell my kids is be mindful of what you're looking at when you're watching social media, to understand the difference between real and fake.

Speaker 3: 28:08

And.

Speaker 1: 28:08

I think a lot of our young adults, particularly now, look at social media and can't always distinguish between what's real and what's fake. And so when you start seeing the successes of people and I think a lot of the people that I interviewed had the same statement, which is they're really concerned because young adults could be getting tax advice off of a social media platform from somebody who doesn't really have the If you know they're an expert, sure, they work at a big investment house, they have all the credentials, they have all the rules, all the licensing Sure, go listen to them. When Warren Buffett comes out on social media and talks, sure, listen to him. But when it's some person who you don't know who tells you that you can make a million dollars overnight by going investing in something, be mindful not to believe that.

Speaker 3: 29:24

Yeah, you can't Google everything, and I think that's why I like your book so much is that you've done the work with the experts to put it in a very accessible format for the kids and something that's easy to thumb through.

Speaker 1: 29:36

Right, right, and it's all about just. I come back to this point where it's foundational. It's not, you know. There's basic building blocks of being an adult, right? Everything from etiquette and manners to, you know, keeping your house clean, to finding roommates, all of these things. These are foundational building blocks and that's what this book is for is making sure that you have the building blocks. You need the foundation first before you can build upon that, and building upon that is your personal journey. But having these foundational blocks is what's critical for you to be able to live that journey.

Speaker 3: 30:11

So good. Now you've shared a number of kind of antidotes from the book. Is there one that you think would resonate the most with my audience, for kids or, you know, for a parent who's like, oh, I need to share this episode with somebody. Here's why. Here's why they need to look at this book.

Speaker 1: 30:28

I think, honestly, it's something that they could take with themselves, and it's really the first chapter where I talk about. It's a saying that I love. It's a Shakespeare, so I don't want to get all geeked out on everybody, but it's to thine own self, be true and finding your purpose. And I really think that, as an adult, as a parent, going through this transition yourself right, your little one, your baby, you know, has now flown the coop and this is a very emotional time Finding your own purpose. Just like your young adult has to go out and find their own purpose, their own journey. You do too. If it's defined you to be a parent, their own purpose, their own journey. You do too. If it's defined you to be a parent and your life was there, it's time for you to figure out okay, well, where do I go now? Where's my next journey?

Speaker 1: 31:17

So I think that's where I would recommend, if anybody reads this, read the first chapter. It's a little bit more esoteric, it's a little more of mind, body and spirit. It's less about fixing your car and how to look at your car to make sure it's not right, but I think at the same point it's critical for those people who are in a transitional time in their life graduating from college, graduating from high school, kids leaving the house, something happening. It's a way for you to remember that the life is a journey. It's like a hiking trail, right. You sort of figure out where you want to go, but you don't really know what you're going to see. The best part about a hike is hey, if you want to try something else, you want to look someplace else, take another path, right, and so that's part of what I would suggest is for people to look at that.

Speaker 3: 32:09

So good, what's next on your journey? What comes up next for you?

Speaker 1: 32:14

So for some crazy reason, I do enjoy writing these books and I think it comes back to my entrepreneurial roots. I love building companies and if they don't sell, I still have to run it right, and so a lot of times my day-to-day job it never really ends right. I know I have the same issues tomorrow, and so on. Writing a book is basically like an entrepreneur's dream, because you come up with an idea, you write it, you publish it and then you're done. You get it. Here's my book, I've done it. It's like you've completed a task and for those of us who need that, I enjoy it.

Speaker 1: 32:49

I am contemplating a couple different things in writing. I really have enjoyed. I have. No, yeah, there's no business associated with it, it's only purely just a personal enjoyment, but I do like watching this transition of young adults, and I see it for my business as well, because for the last 25 years I've been hiring young analysts straight out of college who are coming looking for their first real job, if you will, to come into my program, and I've seen a remarkable change in those 25 years. I've been doing this between the young people who started interviewing to the people today, and so I think it would be. I think I will continue on this journey of sort of providing advice to young adults, but maybe a little bit more specifically for a certain segment or something a little bit more narrow. We'll see, though.

Speaker 3: 33:46

Yeah, you'll see what inspires you. There may be another hey dad question that points you in a different direction. For sure, right?

Speaker 1: 33:53

Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3: 33:54

Rob, before I let you go, what would if you had to say what your empty nest motto is? What would it be?

Speaker 1: 34:00

I would say. My empty nest motto is you know, in fairness, it's a wonderful thing. I've done my job Right and that's really. That's that's the key. I've done my job. I've raised decent humans that can go out into the world and and live on their own. Yeah, they're always need me, They'll always ask questions, but ultimately, I've done my job.

Speaker 3: 34:25

I've done my job. I love it, and you've done your job with hey Dad. It's a great book. I encourage people to go out and get it. It's available for pre-order now on wwwheydadbookcom. It comes out on April 28th and then it'll be available on Amazon and Barnes, noble and a few other places, so go check that out. Rob, it was a pleasure having you on the show today. Thank you so much for being here and sharing a little bit about ADAD.

Speaker 1: 34:50

Great Thanks, gary, I really appreciate the time.

Speaker 2: 34:54

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