Speaker 1: 0:00

It's all about little changes, Jay right. Just little steps, little changes. What can you do a little bit differently? You know something you always like to do that maybe you forgot about. And just writing a list, and just little baby steps, and call a friend to do it with you, so good.

Speaker 2: 0:15

Welcome to this Empty Nest Life. Join Jay Ramsden as he leads you on a transformative journey through the uncharted seas of midlife and empty nesting. If you're ready to embark on this new adventure and redefine your future, you're in the right place. Here's your host the Empty Nest Coach, Jay Ramston, Jodi.

Speaker 3: 0:35

Silverman, welcome to the show. So excited Thanks for inviting me. So excited to have you, especially because you have this thing called Moms who Dare, which I love. So tell me a little bit about that, Moms who Dare.

Speaker 1: 0:53

Moms who Dare was established in 2016 as a community local in my backyard to support empty nest moms, to provide a platform and a space for moms just to get together and dare to step out of our comfort zones and try new things for ourselves. As we launch our children to figure out you know what's next for us.

Speaker 3: 1:09

Got it. So you were like a mom who was like I need community, Is that?

Speaker 1: 1:12

Yeah, my community has been a big part of my life since I was a kid. I've always had, I've been very fortunate. I always have had community different communities too and I just knew that if I had been stepping out of my comfort zone and reinventing myself while my kids were getting ready to leave the nest and I was having fun, I was scared. I was, you know, having fun, and I'm like you know what. I want my friends, I want other moms to experience this. I don't want other moms to sit in bed and not be able to get out of bed for days and weeks on end. That there is life after our kids leave home. We're always their mom, and yet now we get to focus on ourselves, and that's what the daring is. So it became like, oh, we're going to be moms who dare. We're going to dare to try new things together and have a good time.

Speaker 3: 2:02

I love that. It's like have fun, do it scared, you know.

Speaker 1: 2:06

Yeah, do have fun, do it scared.

Speaker 3: 2:09

I think that's what people right you know you do the same kind of work I do. It's like people get stuck in this, like I'm not gonna, yeah, I don't even know what to do, like I can't try something new. So what made you do it?

Speaker 1: 2:40

Like, what was the impetus? Were there, people around you. You just had like a brilliant moment One morning. You needed somebody, like nine to 11 hours a week. I'm like I'm in, I wanted to get out of my house and I was sitting there. It's a very quiet place and I realized in that moment I started thinking my daughter's graduating, my son's right behind her, three years right behind her, and, you know, is what I'm doing, what I want to be doing? And it was. It literally was like a voice inside of me. It was, if I say like one more time, it was hell, no, I was. No, I don't want. I was selling commercial printing services, it was my own business and I say, no, I don't want to do. This is not what I feel like I want to do, this is not fulfilling anymore. And in that quiet space, after asking myself that question and allowing it to land and really say, no, I want something different for me.

Speaker 1: 3:31

This was not about not being happy in my relationship with my husband, a great husband not being happy with my friends. I had great friends. It wasn't about anything else, Jay, other than what do?

Speaker 1: 3:43

I get to do now? And just by asking that question and answering it, opportunities started presenting themselves to me, and I don't know that I would have been opened to some of these opportunities. And one was a new business opportunity in the network marketing industry. Some people know it as direct sales or multi-level marketing. I don't know that I would have been open to sitting down and seeing what this business was all about had I not had that moment in the quiet space. But I did. I said yes, and anybody who's ever been in the direct sales network marketing industry knows that along with that comes the world of personal growth and development. You are introduced to all the good thought leaders, and that's what really started it all. I started daring to read really good books, you know, from Jim Rohn and Darren Hardy and Think and Grow Rich all the good ones, and then, more so, the more up to date thought leaders like Brene Brown, and I mean who else?

Speaker 1: 4:41

There's so many of them, so many, and the books changed my life. They changed the way I thought about myself. They changed the way I saw myself. It brought to light some fears and doubt that I had, that I didn't know, and while I was doing that, I was surrounded by like-minded people and I just started saying yes to the business, saying yes to speaking in front of people.

Speaker 1: 5:05

And one thing led to another and I just yeah, there's more to life than just being a mom. And here's the thing I always say we're getting ready, we're launching our children, we get them out, we get them prepared to brave new experiences, learn new things and meet new people. So let's do the same thing.

Speaker 3: 5:27

Yes, right, there's run it in parallel. I think people have a hard time thinking about that. It's like you get so wrapped up in your kids' lives, your identity becomes you know, the identity of the mom or the dad or whatever it is and the kids launch and you're like I forget to be curious, right? We lose ourselves right we lose ourselves, yeah, you lose yourselves. 100, yeah, and I think that's where people struggle is. Like I don't even know like what the first step is.

Speaker 1: 5:57

I was just start saying yes to stuff I, just right before you hit record, right before we logged on to do this, I started writing some notes because everything that I've been doing has been focusing. It's as we're recording this. It's the emptiness season, I call it, and now it's. How do you find the motivation to step out of your comfort zone to try new things?

Speaker 2: 6:19

Because you know the grief is real, the sadness is real.

Speaker 1: 6:22

When your kids leave home. It hits everybody different it hits, I'm sure it hit. Leave home it hits everybody different it hits. I'm sure it hit you differently than it hit your wife. It hit me differently than it hit my husband. And even though I speak specifically about Moms who Dare and talk about moms, I know that dads get sad as well, and a lot of these women that join the Moms who Dare Facebook group which, by the way, it's not just local to my backyard anymore. There's over 2,500 women in the Facebook group- it's a good thing.

Speaker 1: 6:50

Yeah, it's great. How do you find the motivation to even do something? Little baby steps, little baby steps, I would say. My favorite place to start is just change up one small thing in your routine.

Speaker 3: 7:02

Yeah, so what's one of those things that you've changed up?

Speaker 1: 7:05

Oh, the first one. I had the hardest time between the hours of three and seven and more so.

Speaker 2: 7:14

And my husband traveled a lot. He doesn't travel as much anymore.

Speaker 1: 7:17

So starting at three in the afternoon, I would get feel like unsettled. I wouldn't know what to do with myself or to put myself. So I decided to step out of my environment. Because at three o'clock is when either you were getting ready to go to watch your kids play basketball or soccer, or they would be coming home to change before they had to go out again to go to practice, or maybe you were preparing for dinner for everybody. And that's the biggest time that I struggled with I just I was unsettled. So I changed it up.

Speaker 1: 7:51

I decided, you know what one day I thought I could go run my errands. Everybody's going to be coming home from work, but I can go run my errands so I could go to the market. I didn't have to go at seven in the morning anymore, I could go to three, four o'clock in the afternoon. I could go to the mall and walk around the mall. I like window shopping. I could go, maybe in the winter, put your walking shoes on and go walking in the mall. People go exercise walking in the mall, but for me it was just doing something different than I normally would do during that time and for me it was running errands or just enjoying myself at the mall.

Speaker 3: 8:25

Yeah, hint, folks there. Like two to three is a great time to go to the grocery store, if you can. So it's also like eight to nine in the morning during carpool, whenever everybody else is dropping their kids off or they're sending them on the bus, it's a great time to go. Yeah, if you get to that point, just switch up that routine.

Speaker 3: 8:41

I literally was just having conversations with somebody in DMs about that specifically. They were like, yeah, it's like five o'clock, that's when they would come home from whatever school. You know sports. I'm like, yeah, you got to find a new routine. What did you have in common with that kid Like, who was always coming home that time? Oh, we loved you know this certain thing to. I'm great. What could you build into that new routine for that one thing, whatever it was. I can't remember what they were talking about. It was like find a book on it, like maybe it was the history of you know whatever baseball. You guys both love baseball. That was your thing. Great, five o'clock, read a book about the history of baseball. Right, you still get to have the same coming home right Time frame, but just mix it up. But it's such a great point it's like flip the switch on just one little thing.

Speaker 1: 9:28

One little thing and it goes. It goes the same if if your nest isn't completely empty, but maybe your oldest just went off and now you're home with just one or two other children. The dynamics do change in the house Absolutely, and you know, the personality of the house changes. And so when my daughter left, there's three years in school difference between my daughter and my son and dinner time is going to look a lot different with my son, with just myself and him, when my husband wasn't home and meaning it wasn't going to be a very long dinner. The two of us eat super fast and not like my daughter, he doesn't just sit to talk right boys are different.

Speaker 1: 10:06

So we came up with our new routine. I said let's do our team, because dinner time is very important to me. I'm like I still want to have dinner together. You know, we how can we switch it up? And we found a show on netflix that we decided to watch together. So good, and so we took, we took up the cart, you know the folding tables, and we would eat dinner in front of the TV.

Speaker 2: 10:24

And yes, we were Somebody said well, you're not talking, Well, we did.

Speaker 1: 10:27

We're watching a show together and then talk about the show a little bit. But we were there together, we were in the same room, sharing a meal, sharing an experience together, and that was on his terms because he was different. Just like my daughter would sit and she would, she would refer to talk with me, so you can do that with the other children or child that's left in the house with you.

Speaker 3: 10:48

Yeah, I love that and it's such a good point, Jodi is, I think people always want to run the house Like they always ran the house right and the routines. They expect the routines to be the same. But we forget to give our kids who are still at home, 17, 18 year olds, or 16, 17,. They want some agency right. They want some control. Ask them how they want it to operate, Like what do you want dinner to look? Like, what do you need? We just all right, let's just keep rolling, because this is what we've always done, as opposed to pausing and saying how could it be different? So I love that you bring that up.

Speaker 1: 11:19

You know, Jay, I love that you brought that whole topic up, because I grew up. I was born in the 60s. I grew up in the 70s and 80s. 70s and 80s were my childhood and teenage years.

Speaker 3: 11:30

Welcome to Gen X. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1: 11:33

Gen X and you know what. Sometimes we fall back into how we were raised and that's our belief system, and I wasn't. I was raised by two loving parents and step parents. I love them all very much and, with that said, I didn't get to weigh in on when I wanted to have dinner. I think there's a nice happy medium between getting buy-in with your children, giving choices not too many choices, you know, only when you can. But when it comes to setting a new routine, talk together.

Speaker 3: 12:07

Yes.

Speaker 1: 12:08

It's not just about us. It's not just about what we want. It's not just about I want to sit at dinner. I want to have dinner time with you and I want to talk and I want to hear all about your day. You can't force a kid to do what they're not built to do.

Speaker 1: 12:21

Right, so I'm happy you said get buy-in from your kids. It's okay to get a thoughts and buy-in and come to an equal like a middle ground on expectations and when you do that together then they're going to show up ready to to be present in that moment with you it's going to be different.

Speaker 3: 12:40

Right, it's going to be a different vibe and you talked about like the energy changes and it does change as kids leave, right, and I think it's always good to remind people too. Is like when you get to the last kid at home, remember they're the last kid at home, because if you don't, then your attention and your partner's attention if you have one at home all of a sudden is like right on the last kid who's left, and they feel the weight and pressure of that.

Speaker 1: 13:04

Yes, it's so true, so true. That's funny, my son's, my son said to my my husband, he said something about you know, you're looking forward to Ellie going off to college and it'll just be you. He said no, cause mom's attention is going to be all focused on me and he was so worried about that.

Speaker 3: 13:20

Yeah, he was like no, not going to happen, not going to happen. He's like no, not going to happen, not going to happen.

Speaker 1: 13:23

It's all about little changes, Jay right. Just little steps, little changes. What can you do a little bit differently? You know something you always like to do that maybe you forgot about, and just writing a list and just little baby steps, and call a friend to do it with you.

Speaker 3: 13:38

Yeah, so good, so good. I'm curious. So you, mom Sudear, I think you said 2016,. So eight years now it's been going. What is your biggest motivator in life right now, either with Moms who Dare or just in your personal life?

Speaker 1: 13:53

My biggest motivator in everything that you mean, what I bring. Yeah, what's your biggest motivator? It's knowing that I can make an impact in another person's life. I, when I go in, when I and I say that because when I was in my network marketing business, I was saying yes to going to these conferences and motivational speaking events and I would sit there and I would hear different speakers, male, female alike, and every event, every speaker said at least one thing that I was like yeah, or that's like yes, how they know, I felt that way and it would change something, shift something in me, to have me step out of my comfort zone, to to release fear and to go for something and to be who I was meant to be. And I remember sitting one day saying I want to do that, I want to do that.

Speaker 1: 14:51

So my biggest motivator is because I do a lot of public speaking. I do it in person, I do it virtually, I go live inside my group all the time to my mom's and my biggest motivator is if I can share one thing that I've done, that I've learned, that helped me navigate a life transition. During this Empty Nest Midlife chapter that can help somebody else pull the trigger on doing something really good for them.

Speaker 3: 15:19

Yeah. That's it Right, that's it, that's the best. I think that's why we both do what we do. Yeah Right, it's just getting people to maybe think a little bit differently, like you don't have to make a huge, vast change in your life, but just to think a little bit differently.

Speaker 1: 15:32

Yeah, so, with that like in your, since the kids have launched for you like what's one of the most difficult decisions you've ever made in your emptiness life, made in your emptiness life, god, one of the most difficult decisions in my emptiness life I don't know if it's necessarily a decision or I think it's learning how to pause before my now adult children do something or don't do something. That makes me feel sad. So my kids right now are at 26 and 29.

Speaker 3: 16:06

Okay.

Speaker 1: 16:07

They're adults living outside of my home. They both live with their ones, with their fiance ones, with their girlfriend, and the adult relationship I love. However, navigating what I call midlife motherhood is is hard. This is another part of emptiness, and it's learning not to react and saying why didn't you call me or why won't you meet me for dinner I haven't seen you in four weeks Pausing and saying okay, recognize, I'm feeling sad, I'm feeling hurt, and how might I be able to approach this so that I don't put them on the defensive and make them feel bad about it?

Speaker 2: 16:44

Right.

Speaker 1: 16:44

Versus. It's like teetering on that line of I don't want to make them feel bad and guilty, but in the same, and yet I get to have feelings. And if I'm missing my child, that's what I've come to realize Like why am I feeling sad?

Speaker 2: 17:00

Why I?

Speaker 1: 17:00

miss.

Speaker 3: 17:01

Ellie or I miss Daniel, so why don't I?

Speaker 1: 17:01

just call and say hey. I miss you when so why don't I just call and say hey, I miss you when can we get together?

Speaker 3: 17:06

Yeah right, rather than doing it inside, of just letting it linger.

Speaker 1: 17:09

Yeah, and that's been a big challenge for me during the empty nest years is taking a beat. I call it taking a beat to pause and really understand what it is I'm feeling and what I'm about to react to. And is there a better way of explaining how I'm feeling than just yelling? And that's not easy? There's a book about boundaries. The author is Anne Weiser Cornell and her first chapter.

Speaker 1: 17:39

That's where I learned the technique from to pause when you're feeling something, an emotion. This is such a great tool, so pay attention everybody. And I'm feeling angry, I'm feeling sad, I'm feeling frustrated, and you pause and you say to yourself okay, so something in me feels frustrated. All of a sudden, you just separated yourself from the emotion. It's creating awareness. So now I can say, okay, something. And this is her practice, I didn't make this up. This is Anne Weiser Cornell. She says something in me feels frustrated, and I'm going to say hi to that. And now it just changes the whole feeling and now you can get curious. Okay, I wonder why I'm feeling frustrated and frustrated because I just, you know, I haven't spoken to Ellie all week and I miss her and I feel disconnected from her because I don't know what's going on in her life. Okay, so what can I do?

Speaker 3: 18:32

Yes.

Speaker 1: 18:33

And then I'll. Then I can approach Ellie in a way that's not going to have her feeling guilty, because she's she's not ignoring me. They're busy. They're busy in their lives. You know, she lives with her fiance. She works all day and comes home and if she has to call me and call her friends and call her grandparents, she's never going to talk to him.

Speaker 3: 18:52

Right, right, yeah, yeah, it is, it is. I always tell my, I tell my clients, like, think of it, like you know, staples, the commercials. They have that big easy button, the big red button. I'm like think of that, like walk around with that in your head, but instead of easy, it's pause.

Speaker 1: 19:11

Yes, right, so when something comes, up, just hit the big red easy button to pause, cause you know we're allowed. We're human beings, just like our children, and we're allowed to be sad and angry and frustrated and it's okay. I feel, even I can feel left out of their lives. I do feel left out, sure you're allowed to, I'm allowed to.

Speaker 1: 19:27

How we react to that. Do we make it all about ourselves? And is the way I'm about to tell if the attitude is and I've had moms say this to me if your attitude is I've been their mom for decades I blood, sweat and tears. I deserve a phone call every week. Sweat and tears, I deserve a phone call every week. And if you're going to approach them from that point of view, you have to ask if well, are you ready for what comes back or what doesn't?

Speaker 2: 19:50

So yeah, you deserve it, we all deserve it, every mother, every father deserves a phone call every week.

Speaker 1: 19:55

I wish I every week to say hi to me, absolutely. And yet because I had a friend say well, shouldn't I just can? I just call her and tell her that and I'm like you can. What's? What do you think the reaction is going to be? How would it be for you? You can do whatever you want, you can say whatever you want. We're grown.

Speaker 3: 20:13

That's right. We all free will. You can do whatever.

Speaker 1: 20:15

What's what? What is your goal? My goal is that I just missed my child and I just want to know what's happening in their life or his life. So maybe, instead of calling on the you know I'm your mom, you could call me every once in a while. Maybe text say hey, would love to hear what's going on with work, what works for you this week to talk.

Speaker 3: 20:35

Yeah, again, the agency part right, they're adults. Yeah, and I think we forget that as parents. Yeah, but also we used to talk about this in education all the time. You know teachers and kids like there's a power dynamic there. Yeah, there's a power dynamic between you and your children and the power dynamic is you're the parent, they're the kids. But when you approach it that way, then you fill them with the thoughts of I'm disappointing my mom or my dad, I'm not doing what I should be as their child, right? And is that the end result that you want your kids to think?

Speaker 1: 21:07

So that's my heart, that's my biggest challenge. Yeah, that really is my biggest challenge and that challenge that was challenging when they went off to college. I mean, it's a challenge. It's just take a beat, hit that pause button right, hit that big red pause button. But other than that, you know, finding things to do has been fun. I read more I can go walking any time of the day I want. I can go out. Even if you just walk outside of your house and go for a walk, I can call a friend and say let's start walking every Tuesday at such and such a time. One of my favorite things to do. Jay, I love going to a movie. Yes, if you have flexibility in your schedule, if you have flexibility, if you've never gone to a 1030 or 11 o'clock in the morning movie, I love going. I don't do it all the time, but I love going to the movies by myself.

Speaker 3: 22:00

So that's a great point, right? So that's a great point, right, I think, because when you have a partner, right, we think we have to do everything together when the kids leave, right, because we did everything as a family we went on vacation, we did this trip, we went to this dinner, whatever it may be we always think we have to do everything together because we're a family, yes, and yeah, yes, and you still need to do stuff by yourself.

Speaker 1: 22:22

Yes, and if you have a significant other in your life, have a date night, have something, but have something for yourself too. Try a movie by yourself. You're sitting in a dark room. You're not supposed to be talking during the movie anyway, right? The only thing you'll miss out on is not having somebody talk about the movie afterwards, which, honestly, sometimes I don't even want to. Right, I just want to see the movie. Eat my popcorn and leave the movie and have it be done. So I love try. And if you don't want to go alone, don't. But I, I, I always that's one of my biggest stares is if you've never gone to a movie by yourself, try it, try it.

Speaker 1: 23:00

It's a lot easier to go to a movie by yourself than it is to go out to a meal by yourself.

Speaker 3: 23:05

Yeah, yeah, the fear factor, if you will right, is different. The stakes are lower. Yeah, the stakes are lower. So you said you tried a lot of different things. What's one thing that you've always wanted to do but haven't?

Speaker 1: 23:20

What is something I've always wanted to do that I haven't done yet? Oh God, that's a good question. I zipline. Zipline was something I wanted to do. I finally did that. I've done that a couple of times. You know what? I want to ride bikes more. I want to ride a bike on a regular basis. I want to. I don't ride my bike and I want to start riding my bike.

Speaker 3: 23:41

There you go.

Speaker 1: 23:46

And I, I start riding my bike. There you go and I, I I'm in my own way with that. I actually just need to get myself a good. Um, I could go in my neighborhood and do it. Matter of fact, you know what I'm gonna bring my bike? I'm gonna ride myself out, bring my bike up from the basement. I'm gonna go out for a bike ride in my neighborhood there you go, there you go, but riding yourself, riding a bike I love that.

Speaker 3: 24:01

Yeah, it's always. I think it's curious where people land when I ask that question is like, what's something you've always wanted to do that you haven't? But the point there, I think, jodi which is so great for people who are listening is like that's not complicated, no, right. People sometimes say, oh, what's one thing you always wanted to do but you haven't? And they think, oh, it's gotta be some big, extravagant trip or someplace I wanted to go. No, keep it simple, folks.

Speaker 1: 24:25

Yeah, I want to ride my bike. I'm going to ride my bike. Thank you for asking me that. There you go.

Speaker 3: 24:30

There you go. Now you have some clarity on what you can do.

Speaker 1: 24:38

Yeah, it doesn't have to be jumping out of an airplane, jay, I like that you recognize that. Just do something little. Join a book club, go for a walk, ride a bike, go to a movie, take a class. Take an adult. Every single township that I know of, or a community college, has adult evening education, non-credit classes, and there's so. You've never looked at the brochure. There's so much offered. Take a yoga class, go to Pil pilates. I tried pilates recently for the first time. I'm a reformer. I wanted to try a reformer pilates class. I went there, did that.

Speaker 3: 25:12

Yeah, so I'm still trying new things yeah, and that's the key, right, if people who are listening is like it, you get out of your own way by actually getting out of your own way, right? I tell people like the difficult part, the most difficult part of making a decision is actually deciding that you're going to make the decision. Yes, right, you don't stay stewing in it. So it's like do something simple. I think that's the point of this, this whole conversation Do something simple.

Speaker 1: 25:35

I'll give you another go-to it's doing, but it's not like a bike ride or something like that Spend the day smiling at everybody you see and or giving out random compliments.

Speaker 3: 25:49

Yes.

Speaker 1: 25:49

Because every day, when we're out and about, you're standing, you're looking and you're standing at the deli counter at the market and you notice a woman. You really like her sweater and you think, god, that's a nice sweater.

Speaker 3: 25:57

Tell her, you make that person's day.

Speaker 1: 26:00

Tell her. I saw an older gentleman. He was in a suit and he had on this hat. He looks so smart, smart dress. You know when they used to use the term smart for dress?

Speaker 3: 26:10

Yes and I looked at.

Speaker 1: 26:11

I go oh, do you look sharp? I go, you look smart, sharp. And he's like, oh, thank you. But either spend a day smiling and we're giving out random compliments and people say, well, what does that do for me? It gets you out of your thinking, out of your head, out of the whole why you know you're out of your head and into your heart, into your heart.

Speaker 1: 26:33

Because when you're giving out random compliments to other people, or whether you're just smiling at other people, it's a boomerang effect on you, but you're making an impact on somebody else's day. You're not even thinking about it and it'll come back to you. It's gratitude, it's really simply it's gratitude.

Speaker 3: 26:53

Yeah, and plus the ripple effect, because if they see you doing it, they might very well go and do that for somebody else as well. I love it. I love everything that we've been talking about. I think, like the show has been a little bit about like just keep it as simple, right. This episode is like just keep everything simple, Think of small things, take that one step. You know, I try and tell people like every step has purpose. You know people think we need to leap from where we are now to like where we need to be.

Speaker 1: 27:14

No no, no, we don't. I didn't. I didn't start my podcast the day I said is this enough? Is it, is what I'm doing, enough? I didn't become a public speaker, I didn't become a life coach. I just said this is not enough for me, and I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1: 27:31

but I knew there was something else I was meant to do and I had no idea. I just got done telling my daughter this you don't have to know the how, the how you're going to achieve X or the how you're going to get X. You just start with a list. Just start with the things that sound good to you, that feel good to try. You don't have to know the how. Put it on a vision board, make a list. The list can be your vision board. You don't have to know the how, just having, like you said, jay, deciding, deciding. I'm ready for something new. I'm going to make a list. I don't know how I'm going to do this, but I'm going to put it on my list anyway. I promise you that how will reveal itself.

Speaker 3: 28:12

It will. It will definitely a hundred percent Love it All right. So to kind of just to wrap up the show like empty nesting happiness in your emptiness life is what Happiness in your emptiness life. Happiness in your emptiness life is what happiness in your emptiness life.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Happiness in your happiness in your emptiness. Life is fill in the blank. Oh my god, it's a good one. Oh my happiness in my emptiness. Life is having fun, it's having fun having fun having fun. If it's not fun, I don't want to go out there.

Speaker 3: 28:47

All right, what did you? What did you do? What was? What was something you did?

Speaker 1: 28:49

fun in the last 30 days oh well, making a fire pit on my, on my patio, to me that's fun. To sit with family around a fire pit is fun. I've done that. We did that recently. Um, I recently, last minute, just invited another couple over for a Friday night dinner. That that's fun to me. That's fun, things that fill fill my heart.

Speaker 3: 29:13

That's good yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:14

Happiness in my life is just having fun, and fun is defined by spending time doing things that light me up inside.

Speaker 3: 29:23

Oh good, and next week it'll be riding a bike.

Speaker 1: 29:26

There you go Riding a bike. I'll be. I will update you on that.

Speaker 3: 29:29

Keep me updated on that. Jodi, where can people find you online?

Speaker 1: 29:33

Well, for any of the moms out there, the Facebook group on Facebook is a private group called Moms who Dare Find it. Ask to join. You're in Everything about me, from the Facebook group to the podcast, to anything else you want to know is at jodysilvermancom, and you can get to my social from there as well. That's the best. The starting point is jodysilvermancom.

Speaker 3: 29:55

Perfect, yeah, and we'll throw that in the show notes so people can find it so good to see you and so good to have you here.

Speaker 1: 30:01

I love what you're doing. I love the Emptiness Life the show. I love the title and what it all means. The Emptiness Life it's as it should be Embrace it, dare to live it. And I love what you're doing, jay. Your show is impactful for anybody who hears it.

Speaker 3: 30:21

Thank you, jodi, as is yours, and as is the things that you're doing for moms right, getting them to get out of their comfort zone zone and dare to do something different.

Speaker 1: 30:31

Yep.

Speaker 3: 30:32

So good. Thanks again for being here.

Speaker 1: 30:35

Thank you.

Speaker 2: 30:45

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